Tuesday Mornings… Proposition 8 From Coffee Hour @ Chicklit Power

Welcome to Coffee Hour @ Chicklit Power and welcome to our “Tuesday Mornings, Proposition 8” series. If this is your first time, you might want to read the last couple of blogs in weeks prior so you don’t feel as though you’re jumping in the middle of a conversation. If you are returning, thanks for coming back. Remember, this blog series is not being given from the pulpit, but from the four corners: Historically, physically, emotionally and spiritually, so keep an open mind and heart and let’s get started.

Last week I left off with the fact that the definition of the noun “right” always has the word “privilege” within it so I said I’d check out that definition. As promised, here’s the definition: “a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor; especially such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office.” Now we could go off on another rabbit trail for “immunity,” as well as “peculiar benefit,” but suffice it to say, that I’m thinking a right is not something that is necessarily earned or demanded, but given. Just a thought…

So I’m still stuck on the whole “rights versus freedom” thing, like when does your right encroach on my freedom, you know what I mean? I was talking about it with one of my friends whose daughter is on her high school’s Diversity Council which is a council developed to develop strong leaders, so it’s really a good thing. Just this past Saturday, they had “team-building day” and the issue of being gay came up when the director of the group gathered them around the four corners of the room, and each corner represented a stand point on the topic—somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or strongly agree or strongly disagree. And as each person presented their opinion, they were allowed to move to another corner if they experienced a slight change in their opinion because of what was said.

Here’s what the kids were asked: Do you feel that the Civil Rights movement was comparable to the gay rights movement, and then they were asked to explain their opinion.

Jocelyn, my friend’s daughter –an amazing person and high school senior, I might add — starts her statement with these words: “It’s an extremely touchy subject.” She spoke these words from her heart for personal reasons, and then she continued with her opinion. “The Civil rights movement was way more important than the gay rights movement because of what happened in the civil rights movement, like the horrible lynching” – death by mob-type action without legal sanction – “and if it wasn’t for the Civil Rights movement, a black person wouldn’t even be able to walk into a bathroom without getting killed or beat up. But you don’t ever hear in the news or media about a gay being hurt for being gay.”

I asked her, would you say that’s because society is way more tolerant as far as the gay lifestyle? “Exactly,” she said. She then went on to tell me about another student from the opposing side who spoke up and said that – and I’m paraphrasing — that the Civil Rights movement pretty much opened the door for the gay rights movement.

So then the discussion got heated, and her brother, Andrew, who is also on this Council, stood up and said: “I’m not trying to make anyone mad, but Black people were born black, and they couldn’t help being Black and that’s why the Civil Right movement was worse, but gay people choose to be gay.”

Well, that really woke some of the others on the opposite side up and voices started to rise and tempers started to flare and the director had to step in and stop so they could have their elections. Incidentally, whether one is born “gay” is a topic that we will eventually get into, but that will be for another day.

Let me finish this blog up with this thought on this dilemma: Both ideologies believe that they are correct despite what we have historically known to be one way….

Make it a great day.


Be Sociable, Share!

Tags: , , , , , , , ,

9 Responses to “Tuesday Mornings… Proposition 8 From Coffee Hour @ Chicklit Power”

  1. Bayilik says:

    2010 was very active because of politics and financial disaster. I am truly keen on policy and economy. In second strategy, I will make Decree MBA. I am also planning a disquisition on the subject of relation among economy and politics. You seem an expert within these question. I would like learning your ideas for correlation of financial system and policy. What do you think about this relation? Based on you how many percentage do they manipulate each other?

  2. Catrina Curcio says:

    All parents should be aware that when they mock gay people, they may be mocking their own son.

  3. annuaire says:

    Your post is really wonderful..thanks for posting…your post is very informative

  4. Tohonnie says:

    Howdy, Are you going to be making a follow-up page? The hubby and me have passed some time checking over your webpage and surprisingly enough you discussed one thing we were discussing only the other month with our daughter. We very often notice ourselves quarrelling on the littlest of points, isn’t it foolish?

  5. Korey Besso says:

    As long as the world is anti-gay, then it will seem like being gay is anti-social.

  6. admin says:

    interesting point….Thanks for coming by:)

  7. gogetem@bibifleet.com says:

    hola thanks for the material & add me to your contacts

  8. uggs online says:

    Oh my lord… wrong time to see what’s new on here…I love your Blog — but oh, lady, how I adore your photographs!

  9. Anonymous says:

    I hardly comment on blogs, however I just had to take a moment to praise you for sharing this with us. As a normal person I’ve really loved the fantastic ideas and information obtained from visiting your posts. I hope you can continue to build a good website here as I will be coming back often!